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Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: missy (---.mullum.com.au)

Date: February 23, 2003 01:14AM


can somone help me with the analysation of this poem like what does the title of the poem mean? or What does the peom reveal to you about being australian?..... PLEASE I NEED SOME HELP


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Les (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)

Date: February 23, 2003 01:53AM


Could you post the poem, please? I could not find a copy on the internet.

Les


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: missy (---.mullum.com.au)

Date: February 23, 2003 03:52AM


SUmmer rain


At 4 o'clock cars
clutter on the highway like abacus beads.
No one dares overtake.
Sunlight scrawls
through the dust and the fumes,
and the shadows slap at the edge of the grass.

Somewhere ahead, there's been an accident.
One by one, the engines
stop, the cars slump into dusk.

You wrench yourself from the road,
sift the dark trees
for diversion.
Sub-division houses-teacups
of colour from telivison stes,

steam rising from ovens
and showers
like mist across a swampland. The cricket sound
of voices and cutlery.

Only the children
stay outside, brusied with dirt
and school, squeezing play
from the tattered edges of the afternoon.
In the darkness, they grow
to be heroes, clash in the park
like cars on a highway,
pound out grudges
tight as steel. At last they slacken
home forgetfully.

As the wreck is cleared, rain trembles
acress the cars
and the charred, unbroken road



Thats the poem and these are some of the questions--->

1Briefly outline what happens in the peom?
2 What does the title "Summer Rain ' suggest the peom is about?
3What is the effect of the use of personification " the cars slump into dusk"?
4 What impact is gained by using the second person "You" to being stanza 3?
5 What impressions are created about the sub divison houses? how was this done"
6 what does the peom reveal to you about being australian?
7 from houses we now veiw the children. what impression of the children do the following phrases create?
"brusied wiht dirt and school" "squeezing play from the tattered edges"
"pound out grudges tight as steel" " slacken home forgetfully"


THANKYOU FOR CARING ENOUGH TO HELP ME
THANKS MISSY


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.sdsl.cais.net)

Date: February 23, 2003 02:07PM



1Briefly outline what happens in the peom?

Traffic jam.

2 What does the title "Summer Rain ' suggest the peom is about?

Summer rain could be a soft rain, could be a monsoon. No help. If it rains in the summer, children cannot go out to play, and must find other things to do. More likely.

3What is the effect of the use of personification " the cars slump into dusk"?

They are dismayed at the delay.

4 What impact is gained by using the second person "You" to being stanza 3?

Puts the reader into the poem. Makes it more personal

5 What impressions are created about the sub divison houses? how was this done"

Those living there have already made it home. The observer, looking for diversions to pass the time, notices this especially.

6 what does the peom reveal to you about being australian?

They take life easier? Are not upset by minor annoyances?

7 from houses we now veiw the children. what impression of the children do the following phrases create?
"brusied wiht dirt and school" "squeezing play from the tattered edges"
"pound out grudges tight as steel" " slacken home forgetfully"

I will leave this one for you.


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: sar (---.mega.tmns.net.au)

Date: May 26, 2004 03:14AM


HELLO
i was wondering if you could please help me analyise this poem
with the issues raised, the theme, the construstion of the txt and the differences in ideology for the modern reader
thanks heaps sar


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (12.73.175.---)

Date: May 26, 2004 11:55AM


differences in ideology for the modern reader

As opposed to what, the ancient reader?

And what is meant by ideology?

"In social studies, an ideology is an idea that explains how the society should work and offers the basis for a certain group of people who pursue their interests. It is the body of doctrine, myth or symbol of a social movement, institution, class or large group with reference to some political and cultural plan"

"1 : visionary theorizing

2 a : a systematic body of concepts especially about human life or culture b : a manner or the content of thinking characteristic of an individual, group, or culture c : the integrated assertions, theories and aims that constitute a sociopolitical program"

"1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, a group, a class, or a culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system."


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: marian2 (---.range81-152.btcentralplus.com)

Date: May 27, 2004 12:41PM


Differenced in ideaology for the modern reader.: The modern ideology says that we are in control - of life, of cars, of our destiny -as opposed to older ideas of fate Greek and Roman gods etc. In the poem, outside forces (similar to the old ones of fate etc in that they are not the people) are in control - the people in the cars can't go anywhere, have to find ways to make waiting in the jam bearable, bide their time until the accident is cleared. So are we in control? - or are a lot of our freedoms and choices illusory. I think that's what the poem and the person asking about idealogy are getting at.

hope that helps


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: marwa (---.a.002.syd.iprimus.net.au)

Date: June 21, 2004 04:51AM


please help me find the techinques of the poem suimmer rain by explring the unique aspects as soon as possible
thank you so much


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: lg (---.trlck.ca.charter.com)

Date: June 21, 2004 11:30AM


Marwa, click on "flat view" below this post and read the comments above yours.

Les


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Jade (211.26.166.---)

Date: June 26, 2004 01:25AM


do you go to mullum high school?...if so what yr r u in...i go to a school in murbah and we gotta do a speech on some of john foulchers poem..and its soo hard...i like have n idea about his poem eaither..lol...well write bak


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Sar (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)

Date: August 02, 2004 06:29PM


hi i'm sorry to bother you but i was wondering if you could tell me about the creative process of john foulcher's poems


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-01rh15-16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: August 03, 2004 07:58PM


No bother at all, but what's 'creative process'?


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: shaye banning (---.a.003.syd.iprimus.net.au)

Date: August 11, 2004 11:02PM


I have to relate the poem "summer rain" and "martin and the hand grenade" Things such as subject matter, themes etc both poeted by John foulcher. Would anyone please be able to help me or perhaps done it?
thanks, shaye


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-03rh15rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: August 12, 2004 11:37AM


You will have to post it for me. I cannot find a (free) copy on the internet.


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Re: summer rain

Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)

Date: September 09, 2004 01:32PM


Monika,

Click on Flat View and read the responses above- I think you'll get a good idea. Once that's done, feel free to ask more.

pam


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: ludy (---.mirnd1.nsw.optusnet.com.au)

Date: November 04, 2004 03:44AM


thnx heaps! i was looking for that poem too.


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Ed (---.dialup.optusnet.com.au)

Date: November 18, 2004 02:50AM


Summer rains in my terms means a pleasant and relaxing period, which brings rain. However it could also mean a monsoonal rain. The description of summer can be directly related to the life of Australians in summer (in stereotypical terms) eg. going to the beach etc The summer time is also the time during school holidays which depicts a period of relaxation and the rain which implies a cool and refreshing motive. No matter where in Australia, rain is needed greatly, and when it rains, it brings relief to many Australians, whether it be concerned with drought or just for plain refreshment.


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John Foulchers poems

Posted by: Christie (---.210.221.203.acc02-ball-lis.comindico.com)

Date: February 08, 2005 07:43AM


I was just wondering if anyone knows the concerns/issues reflecting his poetry? And What his influences are? Thanks...


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: aimzo (---.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au)

Date: February 25, 2005 07:17PM


Martin and the Hand Grenades:
Narrator: Teacher
Scene: Class room (History lesson)
Meanings of - '..the class pauses/for history..' has two
Specific Quotes: meanings/definitions. The first, more literal one
means the class is stopping to listen to a history
class. The second, more deeper meaning, is one
where the class stops to experience the past
- The word 'bleak' in the sentence, 'his father's
bleak skill' means somber or dull. It's also
a sign of negetivity
- The use of '...he fingers the serations...' suggests
a sensual,sexual mood. This is in reference to how
the boy is handling the grenade. It is like he is
being taken to another world
- The word 'bristles' in the phrase 'bristles
with shrapnel/possibilities', is an example of
a word which shows the anger of the narrator. He
talks about how the boy plays with an object which
can kill, or badly injure a person
- The line '...the spread/became too loose to catch a
man's mortality...', means after a certain distance
it is no longer powerful enough to kill someone. The
effect of this line is one of sarcasm, questioning
sarcastically, why it only kills people that far away
and not futher
Additional Notes: The classroom is a battle zone due to the way each
student is 'wounded' every time they hold the
grenade. The classes reaction to the grenade is one
of great excitment. This is a contrast to the
narrators views, who is in fact disgraced. This can
be seen as the teacher describes the experience
using the words, 'tears the heart ahead'.
This shows how each student is getting more than
excitment from the grenade, but is actually being
mentally effected by it

Only 2 poems are anaylised here, although 6 poems from each Poet should be
studied. An enourmous IFF (243k - 2480x3300x1) has been included which
contains summaries of 6 of his poems broken down into Narrator, Structure,
Attitude and Tone, and Purpose (for the poems: Summer Rain, Harry Wood,
Martin and the hand grenade, Loch Ard Gorge, For the Fire, and Bradman's
Last Innings).


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Re: Help me please..... - john foulcher

Posted by: boris (202.78.40.---)

Date: February 28, 2005 12:20AM


Plaz can u help me with a critical analysis on john foulchers poem "the crow that came for the chicken"

i need to know wat type of poem it is, wat it is about, its intended audience, its context and wat poetry techniques are used.

Thanx
boris

p.s. this is urgent so plz hurry


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-03rh15rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: February 28, 2005 07:28AM


I have not read it and cannot find it online. Can you post it?


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help me with the poem "the sea days' please!

Posted by: marky (---.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net)

Date: March 01, 2005 04:49PM


i need information about this poem because i have to do an essay on it, but i cant find anything about it.. it is called "the sea days" by johnny boy here so please help me!


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help me with the poem "the sea days' please!

Posted by: tj (---.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net)

Date: March 01, 2005 04:55PM


i need information about this poem because i have to do an essay on it, but i cant find anything about it.. it is called "the sea days" by johnny boy here so please help me! (johnny boy= john foulcher)


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-04rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: March 02, 2005 08:05AM


Happy to help, but you will have to type it up and post it here.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: gre (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)

Date: March 07, 2005 05:12AM


i have an assesment tomoz and i have to write an essay on why john foulcher's poem 'summer rain' increases your understanding of what matters in life!
if anyone could put some input in on that it would be GREATLY appreciated!!!

gre. xx


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: justin bird (---.dyn.iinet.net.au)

Date: March 07, 2005 11:08PM



its about a mans life, he gets caught up in a traffic jam and realizes its a car accident, at that moment he realises that his life is boring and everyone around him is enjoying life........... i have the poem if you need it i also have harry wood, loch ard gorge,martin and the hand grenade and bradman's last innings which are also foulcher's poems


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: $anj (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)

Date: March 18, 2005 07:42PM


i need loch ard gorge the poem. Does anyone have the poem to scan & to post on this forum ???



l8a Sanj


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: $anj (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)

Date: March 18, 2005 08:11PM


if u want to type type to this e-mail not the one above


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: kirst (---.cust18.nsw.dsl.ozemail.com.au)

Date: March 28, 2005 03:10AM


i really need help.....i have a wide reading assignment due next week and its huge! the question:

'what matters is almost entirely determined by context. this context may be social historical, workplace, cultural or personal"- critically evaluate the validity of this statement in relationship to foulchers poems.

we have to pik 3 of his poems......wateva info u have on ne of his poems can u plz send to me!!! i need help

and i was reading the answers that ppl have sed on this site and summer rain is about uniformity and sameness......and metaphorically, this poem suggests that rain ( nature) cleans up after humans make a mess either on highways or in suburbs.
from k


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: bryan lopez (---.nsw.bigpond.net.au)

Date: April 05, 2005 03:52AM


can u please help me, i have to do an essay on 'For the fire' and 'bradmans last innings'. The question is; How has John Foulcher challenged you to see the experiences in his poems from a different perspective? I really need help my essay is due 2morrow.... please


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Re: HELP ME PLEASE.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: desperate teacher (---.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net)

Date: May 30, 2005 08:49AM


Im currently trying to teach John Foulcher's poems to year 11. If any one has any in sight into his techniques or the poems meanings i would be very grateful.

For the Fire
Martin and the hand grenade
Bradman's last Innings
Loch Ard Gorge
Harry Wood
Summer Rain


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Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.phoenix-01rh15-16rt.az.dial-access.att.net)

Date: May 30, 2005 07:36PM


Can you either post them, or provide links so we can read them? I see Summer Rain above, but the others are not familiar to me.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Desi (Moderator)

Date: May 31, 2005 05:45AM


And regardless the poems, I think it might be a good idea to stimulate them doing the thinking. Don't come up with a plan in advance, and let them write a short interpretation on each poem, stressing that they can't be wrong, as long as they can explain why they think something. It might be very interesting to see what they come up with, and why and to see how they explain it to each other. More stimulating than if you have a "correct" interpretation you're steering towards in mind.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: desperate teacher (---.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net)

Date: May 31, 2005 08:06AM


I dont have a "correct" interpretation, i dont have any ideas. I tried giving them the poems and them writing down their responses on anything the noticed from the poems. They had none. Some didnt understand some just didnt want to try and waited till others read their respones. It is close study of text so they have to be able to talk about some techniques. im trying to figure out a way to get them poems from disc to a site.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Desi (Moderator)

Date: May 31, 2005 07:42PM


Ok. What about giving a list of poetic devices with their explanation, and tell them they have one hour to find them and you'll grade the responses?


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: desperate teacher (---.syd.ops.aspac.uu.net)

Date: June 02, 2005 07:24PM


HARRY WOOD

Harry Wood worked in the mines, digging his way
out of poverty, finding
in his twenties
an empty foreman’s place.

Once, he told us, he fired a man
for fooling with the ropes, and the union
went out for weeks. He held on, though, and they sank
back to the sleek coal caves
one man short,
breathing again the air invisible from rock.

And one time collapsing
the moment he started, the mine nearly took him,
he heard them say, “Wood’s gone”,
as the shovels rattled the earth.

Now he’s bought the farm,
and every year before the market
he herds the steers in by himself,
pricks at their tubs of meat with a current-charged bar
until they panic
and take the long unbroken slope
creaking into the truck.

Kangaroo bones
pocked with skin and maggot bubbles of flesh
edge the house and yard.

At night, he sits
and talks of the mines, stares at the dark window –
when he’s dead,
the farm will go to his grandchildren,
and they won’t be poor

as he was, and they’ll have time, he believes,
for something more than survival



BRADMAN’S LAST INNINGS

Bowled for a duck, you could have asked for better…
From the first, through the years
of Depression, so many came to see you, forgetting

the dole queues, the homes dull with a long
democracy, And then the War, women
waiting for their Saturday oval husbands.

And peace. Padded up again, you gave people
something the world lacked: rules
to play by, winners, clear white flannels

sharp against the green turf. But it never works out,
never – four runs short of that century
average, at the last, betrayed by your own game.



FOR THE FIRE

Outside, gathering kindling – a chopping sound
from the forest. Its singular, human thud.

No one is there, only the wind through sparse leaves
like clockwork. Then, above me, the sound drops,

chipped from a tall dead tree:
a kookaburra hacks with its axe-blade beak

tight about a lizard. I can see the reptile’s mouth
stunned open, pouting blood, its legs arched

and claws clutching at air. Even now, all of its bones
are smashed. Oblivious, the bird flays it still,

knocking down twigs. I pick up these twigs
and leave with them, the cold air congealing behind me.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: lg (Moderator)

Date: June 03, 2005 02:54AM


Melissa, the key to understanding these and what must be crucial in teaching these poems is the themes used by Foulcher.

First of all it's important that you understand the poems. Ask yourself questions about the poems. The answers you derive will probably be the same ones the students will find. Guided discovery is the key to learning. What questions, which I haven't posed, seem relevant to the understanding of these poems?

Harry Wood:

What is the significance of the title? What would Harry do? What might he do?
What's the theme here? What significance is there in the fact that Wood works in a "coal" mine? What does it mean to "buy the farm"? What significance is there in the
last two lines of the poem?

Bradman's Last Innings:

Why the sports metaphor? In what age of civilization did Bradman live? Why does the author describe the times as "dull"? What is the significance of the title? Why the "last innings"?


For the Fire:

Why is the form so important in this poem? There is much repetition of sounds (alliteration) in the poem; is this significant? Why? Why the references to nature? Do they seem appropriate to the subject of the poem? Why?

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Well, I hope this helps you get started Melissa. Approach the teaching of poetry as you might the exploration of a museum. Find out what it's about and what secrets it holds, then bring the students into the museum with you and let them discover for themselves the secrets you have found.


Les




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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-04rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: June 03, 2005 01:04PM


Thanks for taking the time to type those up, Desperate. To do so perhaps violates the author's copyright, but I suspect he will have no problem with it, especially insofar as they are to be used in a learning experience.

They are all in 'free verse', which makes the technical analysis more difficult for the casual reader. One has no meter or rhymes to work with, that is. One must think of a poem's 'rhythm' instead. Read each of them out loud, and see if they have a pleasing 'flow' to your ear. If they do, the author has succeeded in his primary task.

With free verse, the author has limited himself to using only 'the line' to express himself. Ask yourself about his line breaks - are they well chosen? Experiment with switching his line breaks and see if his choices leave the reader anticipating what is to follow.

Outside, gathering kindling – a chopping sound
from the forest. Its singular, human thud.

For example,

Outside, gathering kindling – a chopping
sound from the forest ...

Is that better or worse? Worse, I would think. Ending with the 'sound' leaves one anticipating the next line to find out where the sound came from. Ending with 'chopping' makes the 'sound' in the next line confusing as to whether it is a noun or verb, forcing the reader to scan it again, from the beginning.
Do the same thing with his other choices.

The stanzas were apparently chosen for particular reasons. Some are of two lines each, some of three, some are mixed. Are these intended as paragraphs, with the individual thoughts grouped together. If they are separated, why did he do so? Was it again to add the pleasure of anticipation for the reader?

Look for similar sounds grouped together. Assonance and consonance, I mean.

the dole queues, the homes dull with a long

Note the 'D' sounds of dole and dull, and their 'L' sounds plus the L of long. Note the similar 'O' sounds of dole and homes, the 'Z' sounds of queues and homes. In fact they are almost all the same sounds, with that little 'i' of 'with' thrown in there. No hard 'A', no 'I', no 'E' ('the' is thuh?) types in the neighborhood. Do the same thing for all his choices, and see if they are well chosen.

Then, look for poetic devices such as similes, metaphors, personification, metonymy, synecdoche, and other such symbolism. Look at his imagery, and determine if you are right there with him in what he shows you:

a kookaburra hacks with its axe-blade beak

pocked with skin and maggot bubbles of flesh

I can see the reptile’s mouth
stunned open, pouting blood

Last, did you remember any of what the author showed you? Was the presentation memorable, that is. And what meaning(s) did you glean from the words? Did they leave you with a sense of satisfaction? If so, he was succesful; if not, failure.



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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Pam Adams (---.bus.csupomona.edu)

Date: June 03, 2005 01:05PM


I would add to Les's comments- have the students read out loud- poetry is meant to be heard, and understanding may come better from hearing rather than reading.

pam


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: desperate teacher (202.67.65.---)

Date: June 05, 2005 03:13AM


i really appreciate all the help at least now i dont feel as lost and have good starting points. Sorry if ive broken copyright, the poems i had were in a little font with all the above poems on the same pge so i re-typed them for the students seprately.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: struggling (---.rivrw8.nsw.optusnet.com.au)

Date: June 14, 2005 04:58AM


wat duz it mean by "teacups of colour from television sets"???? help me plz!


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (---.denver-04rh16rt.co.dial-access.att.net)

Date: June 14, 2005 11:54AM


You wrench yourself from the road,
sift the dark trees
for diversion.
Sub-division houses-teacups
of colour from televison sets,


Imagery & metaphor - look 'em up. The houses look like teacups, their windows flickering with colo(u)rs generated by the television programs people inside are watching. Do teacups have windows? Nope. Determine for yourself if this is a bad comparison, or a good one. Does it mean the time of day is tea time? Or are the people in the houses are eating meals & drinking tea in front of their sets?




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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Nick Evers (203.58.15.---)

Date: June 20, 2005 04:28AM


can anyone help me with the poem "Lands End" im finding it really hard to understand wat foulcher is try to convey

i also need help with "Christ at Cana" if anyone can help me and send a copy of these poems i would be extremely greatful

love nick mwa


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Re: Help me please.....lands end - john foulcher

Posted by: anonymous000 (192.168.128.---)

Date: August 29, 2005 10:29PM


'Martin and the hand grenade'

Martin displays the hand grenade, the class pause
for history. With his father's bleak skill
Martin egdes out the firing pin, indicates
the chamber where the powder went: he fingers
the serrations, bristles with the shrapnel
possibilites. Questions. No-it had limited
power: ten yards, then the spread
became too loose to catch a man's mortality.
Around the class now. And each boy holds
the small war, lifts it into the air
above the desk trenches: the dead weapon hurls
across the mine fields, tears the heart apart.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: juliana (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 23, 2005 08:00AM


plzzzzzzz help me im in year 10 and need help with the poem "for the fire" by john foulcher
all i need to know is what is the message behind the poem plzzzzzzzzzzz im doing an essay on it so plzzzzzzzzz help

thank you


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Re: help her plzzzzzzzzzz poor juliana

Posted by: ammyy (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 23, 2005 08:07AM



omggggggggg im in year 11
we just started doing foulcher's poems and ur in year 10
poor girl
no wonder u have trouble with it
some one help herrrrrrrrrrrrrr


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Hugh Clary (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 23, 2005 12:01PM


Caution, do not cut and paste from the link above.


"Chosen for its simplicity. This comes from it's 6, 2 line stanzas. It is also seen from the fact one thought is used per stanza (.)

- Use of sentual words."


Tsk. What's a sentual word? One mailed to everybody? Also it's should be its and I personally would use 2-line stanza and write out six, omitting the comma.

And this from a "HSC 2 Unit General English Study Guide"?

Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/23/2005 12:02PM by Hugh Clary.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: IanB (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 23, 2005 05:25PM


And there other errors where those came from, folks!

Hard to believe in a Study Guide, but sadly another sign of the deterioration of standards in English education in New South Wales.


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Re: thank you guys

Posted by: juliana (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 24, 2005 05:52AM



omggggggg im so glad
thank you all for your help
you have saved mi life i really appreciate this
now i can passs yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thank you again

luv ya all juliana


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: Emily-jane (192.168.128.---)

Date: November 24, 2005 07:56AM



im doing the same question as juliana and would love it if u would just help me explain the question abit more in depth the information u gave her was handy but i would just need a bit more
plz plz
thankz


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: pade (192.168.128.---)

Date: February 20, 2006 01:54AM


in the poem for the fire the poet is saying that though a thing like death (of the lizard) in general would seem terrible and the way the lizard died was terrible but the person just walked away after coolecting the sticks so even benefiting from the death so like other poems of foulchers the meaning is that people arent really passionate dont rteally care or might think thats just nature,but maybe it has made an impact enough cause the person did write a poem about it.


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Martin and the Hand Grenade - John Foulcher

Posted by: Josh (192.168.128.---)

Date: April 09, 2006 03:25PM


I found some probs in the aforelisted poem 'Martin and the hand grenade'

'Martin and the hand grenade'

Martin displays the grenade, the class pauses
for history. With his father's bleak skill
Martin edges out the firing pin, indicates

the chamber where the powder went; he fingers
the serrations, bristles with the shrapnel
possibilites. Questions. No-it had limited

power: ten yards, then the spread
became too loose to catch a man's mortality.
Around the class now. And each boy holds

the small war, lifts it into the air
above the desk trenches: the dead weapon hurls
across mind fields, tears the heart ahead.



There it is, word for word, letter for letter.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: IanB (192.168.128.---)

Date: April 09, 2006 06:18PM


Josh, if your changes of 'pause' to 'pauses', and 'the mine' to 'mind', and 'apart' to 'ahead', and your insertions of stanza breaks, are corrections, well done.

The typo gremlin lurks however. Still need to correct the spelling of 'possibilities'.

Good luck with your studies.

Ian


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i need help too

Posted by: leah (192.168.128.---)

Date: June 01, 2006 09:30PM


im in year 10 and we're studying foulcher and its dam hard...
we need to find about him and his life and just about everything there needs to be known... any ideas?


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: IanB (192.168.128.---)

Date: June 19, 2006 08:49AM


Just putting the poem (copied from the earlier post) a little closer to your post.


FOR THE FIRE

Outside, gathering kindling – a chopping sound
from the forest. Its singular, human thud.

No one is there, only the wind through sparse leaves
like clockwork. Then, above me, the sound drops,

chipped from a tall dead tree:
a kookaburra hacks with its axe-blade beak

tight about a lizard. I can see the reptile’s mouth
stunned open, pouting blood, its legs arched

and claws clutching at air. Even now, all of its bones
are smashed. Oblivious, the bird flays it still,

knocking down twigs. I pick up these twigs
and leave with them, the cold air congealing behind me.


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Re: Help me please.....summer rain - john foulcher

Posted by: IanB (192.168.128.---)

Date: June 19, 2006 11:41AM


What made you choose this poem of Foulcher’s, Libzy? I hope not just because it was the shortest on offer. Maybe your answer to that question will reveal some other significant theme you see in the poem.

You have mentioned violence. That’s certainly present. Perhaps an inevitable part of survival in the wild. A kookaburra is a ruthless predator of snakes and lizards. What is the attitude of the narrator towards the violence?

The poem begins with the word ‘outside’, implying that the narrator has come from inside some shelter or habitation. Is there a thematic contrast between the intended fire of the title (interpreted as a symbol of civilised warmth) and the cold, loveless arena of the bush – ‘the cold air congealing behind me’ at the end? Possibly. Though an alternative interpretation of the title could be that it implies everything in that environment is destined to be burned.

I question whether a vignette poem as short as this necessarily has a theme, let alone more than one. But undoubtedly different people will focus on different aspects of the poem.

One of the main aims of a vignette poem is to evoke a scene or an incident.

Essay on Martin and the Hand Greneade and Harry Wood

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In his poems “Martin and the Hand Grenade” and “Harry Wood”, Foulcher explores the ideas of the difference between adults and children in their interpretation of warfare. Foulcher also explains the ideas that man has a violet streak which can lead to destruction. In the second poem, the composer conveys the selfishness of living only to acquire wealth and how material possessions do not ultimately bring happiness and fulfillment. Foulcher uses his senses and a variety of techniques to convey his ideas and experiences.

The poems “Martin and the Hand Grenade “is based on a personal experience that Foulcher had had while teaching at a boys school in one of his history lessons. This poem portrays the idea that adults and children have a…show more content…

Throughout the poem Foulcher retells the emotion and attitude around the room. Once Martin begins to pass the weapon to the students around the room it travels bringing interest as the boys examine it closely, eyes and imaginations widening to the power it is said to have had.
While this was happening Martin becomes aware that his class has had an opposite reaction to what he wanted them to have, in and instance the room was converted into a battlefield in the boys imaginations. As the boys pretend to be soldiers in a war zone they “lift it into the air above the desk trenches”. This metaphor conveys the fascination to the weapon and their imaginations are sweeping the innocent children away into a battlefield where there desks are there barriers. The children are gloriously fighting the enemy, behind their desks. The metaphor shows the huge impact the grenade has had on the boys psyche as they are “transported away” from the classroom to the battlefield. Foulcher has come to the decision that even children have a violent streak in them.

The second poem I and going to discus is Foulcher poem “Harry Wood”. In this poem Foulcher explores the aspects of the struggle to survive and its effect on the individual.
During Harry Woods early life, he was born into a poor simple family and was forced to work hard so that he could work his

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